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levitators spoon vendors

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water diviners beware james randy

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psychic investigator

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is among you i'm not here to demean

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anybody i'm not uh

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here to put anybody down so to speak i'm

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here to investigate

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i can anticipate from my past experience

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35 years of it in this business

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that it will probably be the essentially

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the same story that it's been every

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place else in the world

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people who innocently deceive themselves

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and that small residual people

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who go out of their way to actually

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defraud the rest of their or their

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fellow citizens

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hello just two days after filming the

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australian skeptics award

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news came to us of the death of james

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the amazing randy the bent spoon award

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has a plaque on the top which reads

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the australian skeptics ben spoon award

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presented by

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james randy dick smith and philip adams

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if you've not seen it already let me

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suggest to you you look at

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james randy in australia on youtube it

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was made 40 years ago but still holds up

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as one of the finest pieces

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of skeptical investigation of paranormal

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it was also one of the inspirations that

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led to the formation

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of the australian skeptics here's the

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spoon anyway that was been by ahri the

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melbourne boy

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several years ago can you tell me that

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that was trickery even though i thought

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because i wasn't there all i can say is

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it's more probable it is trickery

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than that it is a supernatural

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occurrence because you admit that the

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conditions were not scientific and they

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were not complete whatsoever

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no the conditions weren't scientific but

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it appeared as though he bent the spirit

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as if he did

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yes all right well um how would that be

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done how would that sort of trickery or

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sleight of hand be done

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would you take this spoon and hold it

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between your fingers like this in front

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of me like that

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put your elbows on the table so let's

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present it so that it is

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thoroughly visible now you're holding it

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firmly pinch it like that so that you

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have good control over it

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turn it just a little bit sideways a

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little bit like that that's fine now i'm

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really going to stroke it with my index

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finger i'm not putting undue pressure on

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if i put pressure on like that i would

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move your arms right right i'm not

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putting undue pressure on you're going

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to get a remarkable illusion taking

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you will think if you aren't very

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careful you will begin to think that it

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looks rubbery am i correct yes

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now i'm putting very little hold it very

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very lightly very very so you're barely

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holding it look at this

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it appears if it's getting rubbery let

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that i did it rather well i think well i

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think you did it very well but how did

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quite as smart as i am because then you

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come on now this is you say this is the

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one they do or event yeah but

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and i have lost a good friend or as we

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a good mate the last message i sent to

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james randy was only a few months ago

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it was a video message and in it i told

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him that his legacy would surely last

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so where do i start there are so many

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stories to tell you of my encounters

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with james randy over the past 20 years

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it was simply amazing to tour with james

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an evening with james randy around

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australia in 2014 where

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live on stage i remember we had three

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standing ovations in the city of perth

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as he and i covered some of the

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highlights of his career

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in magic and skeptical investigations he

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each night despite the grueling travel

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other in a matter of days

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and then there was the time in 2012 when

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he attended the australian skeptics

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the city suffered a heat wave but randy

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working with james randy and the million

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dollar challenge committee at various

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amazing meetings in las vegas must

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highlights of any skeptical career his

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oh yes there were times when he had had

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and he rolled his eyes at me as some new

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ager tried to show randy the error

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of his ways but in the end

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james the amazing randy was proved right

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in so much that

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no one none of them none of the psychics

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none of them could prove under test

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could really do what they claim they can

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there is an ocean of people from all

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around the world who can say honestly

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that james randy influenced the course

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of their lives

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i am but one of those drops in the ocean

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but together all those drops make up a

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tide of reason

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thank you james the amazing randy

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this is james randy and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia

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for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 628

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for the 25th of october 2020 richard

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saunders coming to you from a little bit

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of a gray and

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grizzly and overcast sydney australia

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and i'm sure you can understand that

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over the last uh

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what is it now four days that

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myself and all my skeptical colleagues

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around the world have been reminiscing

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into the wee small hours about uh our

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writer thinker humanitarian but most of

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a famous skeptic he really did lead by

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and all of us in the skeptical community

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learnt so much from james randy

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ah next week on the skeptic zone i'll be

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a selected series of clips from

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interviews i've done with james randy

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one but let's turn our attention to this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone you

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would have heard at the beginning of

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course my tribute to james randy

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now that was played uh first up at

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as i record and next on the skeptic zone

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fred thornett award for reason we have

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announcements of the awards

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mendom and this week tim

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is going to look at godwin's law and for

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those of you who don't know godwin's law

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is what happens when a an argument sort

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until somebody gets angry and accuses

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somebody else of acting like adolf

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hitler or the nazis or something like

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and then to round off the show another

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look into the trove the treasure trove

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that is trove we've been enjoying

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lots of interesting searches over the

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lots of classical skepticism and i'm

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giggle out of this one today

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the loch ness monster

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but now it's time for me to run

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and i think in honor of james randy

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uh myself and former skeptic zone

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were in uh were in las vegas both of us

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jet lagged out of our skull and somehow

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ended up having breakfast with james

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that was just a wonderful experience and

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i'm pretty sure

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at that breakfast i had pancakes so

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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[Music]

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hi i'm jessica singer president of

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australian skeptics inc today tim

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richard saunders and i will be

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presenting the australian skeptics

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awards for 2020

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the first award is the thornette award

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for the

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promotion of reason this award was

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established in 2009 and commemorates

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fred thornett a tasmanian skeptic who

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died that year and is very much missed

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in the australian skeptical community

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the fred award as it is known

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acknowledges someone

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who has made a significant contribution

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to educating

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or informing the public on issues of

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science and reason

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as part of the award two thousand

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dollars is given to the recipient

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or to a charity or cause of their choice

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in 2020 the recipient will be familiar

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to many of you as a medical practitioner

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a broadcaster and a science communicator

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who has regularly been called upon this

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year by the media

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to comment on covert 19 and the public

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health issues

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arising out of the pandemic and its

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management

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with so much misinformation about covert

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19

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in circulation and vehement and bitter

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disagreement from some quarters

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about the best course of action it is

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refreshing

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and so important to see someone calm

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and rational talking from an

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evidence-based perspective

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so i'm delighted to announce that

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this year the thornet award for the

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promotion of reason

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hi i'm tim mandum executive officer of

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australian sceptics inc

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and editor of our magazine the skeptic

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and i'm here to announce the winner of

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the barry williams award for skeptical

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journalism

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this prize is awarded for journalistic

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work that critically analyzes or exposes

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issues related to pseudoscience or the

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paranormal

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now in typical fashion we've nicknamed

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the award the wallaby

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in honor of barry's alter ego of sir jim

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r wallaby

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which he used for some of his more

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whimsical pieces in the skeptic magazine

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in addition to a commemorative

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certificate two thousand dollars is

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award to the recipient

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or to a charity or cause of their choice

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for this award we have a judging panel

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made up of highly experienced

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award-winning journals

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we thank them for their guidance and

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decision making

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this is the third year we've made this

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award we had a great collection of

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pieces submitted

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by the journalists themselves and by

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others you may not be surprised to know

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that the bulk of those pieces were about

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the number one news story

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of the year which is obviously harry and

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megan's split from the royal family

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huh no sorry

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i've just been told that's not correct

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that the top story of the year was of

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course

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covert 19. in fact the entries were of

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such a high standard that this year

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we're awarding the wallaby to two

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winners who will receive two thousand

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dollars each

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and both of them are from the abc

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and the winners for 2020 are the health

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reports dr norman swan

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in abc radio nationals science fiction

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series

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both of these presented serious rational

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and

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dr swan has been the soft-spoken voice

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of reason

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across various media platforms and in

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particular his corona cars podcast with

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journalist tegan taylor

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has received international recognition

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as a source of reliable

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information science friction's click

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sick

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series was created by presenter reporter

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ariel bogle

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presenter natasha mitchell producer jane

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lee

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and series producer carl smith again

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across various platforms it looked at

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aspects of the disease

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including a great deal of investigative

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journalism on misinformation

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and how it is spread which is

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unfortunately a recurring theme

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of this last year both of them

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very worthy winners so congratulations

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to

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dr norman swan and science friction

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thank you

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[Music]

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and now we come to skeptic of the year

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skeptic of the year is awarded to

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someone who has close ties

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with the australian skeptical movement

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and whose work has been exceptional

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even by the standards the high standards

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of our community

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this year i'm delighted to announce that

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the award

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goes to mandy lee noble

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you will have heard mandy lee's reports

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on richard saunders podcast the skeptic

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zone

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she has also written for the skeptic

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magazine

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mandy lee is one of those people who is

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quietly active

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behind the scenes doing great things it

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is through her well-crafted and

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carefully thought-out complaints to

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regulators

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that we have seen action taken against

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proponents of alternative medicine

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dangerous alternative medicine

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she spearheaded the complaint to the h

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triple c

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about the naturopath barbara o'neil

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which resulted in o'neill

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being banned from practice and it was

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mandy lee's

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careful observation and monitoring of

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pete evans

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over many years that finally saw him

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fined by the therapeutic goods

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administration for his claims about the

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prevention

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and treatment of covert 19.

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hearty congratulations to mandy lee

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hello i'm richard saunders chief

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investigator of australian skeptics inc

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and producer of the skeptic zone podcast

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i'm here to announce the winner of this

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year's

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bent spoon award presented to the most

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preposterous piece

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of paranormal or pseudo-scientific

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piffle

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now this year there were many

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nominations from previous years and we

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can

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thank covert 19 largely for that i think

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will a past winner once again win this

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year

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past winner former tv celebrity chef

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pete evans

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this year for promoting the biocharger

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machine to combat

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covert 19 past winner meryl dorey

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this year for her covert 19 denial

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and her part in organizing the vaxxed

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bus

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tour past winner fran sheffield and

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homeopathy plus

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this year for their promotion of

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homeopathy to combat

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covert 19 past winner

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judy wileyman this year for her

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conspiratorial claims

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about covert 19 mms

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australia genesis 2 church chapter 316

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for selling a form of bleach as a

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panacea for many health conditions

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including covert 19 radio personalities

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kyle and jackie o four in the opinion of

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the nominator

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giving pete paleo evans an unrestricted

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20 minutes to espouse

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his dangerous nonsense tony rogers and

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the

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nominator

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awarding rogers a doctorate on the basis

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of his phd

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thesis the political economy of autism

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which uncritically cites junk science to

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support

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conspiracy theories although

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not in the running this honorable

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mentions are given to

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the murdoch press in both print and tv

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for regularly promoting misinformation

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and rarely offering corrections when the

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true facts are

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revealed this includes the arson

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involvement in the bushfires

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and sad's promotion of

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hydroxychloroquine

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also those pharmacies in australia who

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still

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stock homeopathy and ear candles

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and the winner is the envelope please

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thank you

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pete evans pete evans for promoting the

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bio charging machine a box of flashing

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lights that has been likened to a bad

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prop from a 1973 episode of doctor who

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that is claimed to combat covert 19 and

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hundreds of other diseases

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how it seems that this reject from a

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children's disco

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costing 21 000 australian dollars can

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emit energies and frequencies

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that recharge and detoxify cells in the

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human body

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now we're not the first organization to

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acknowledge pete evans over his claims

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for this

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cross between a blender and christmas

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lights

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in april the therapeutic goods

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administration

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issued two infringement notices to pete

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evans totaling twenty five thousand two

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hundred dollars

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for alleged breaches of the therapeutic

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goods act

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in regards to this device pete evans

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now enters the history books as the

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first person

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ever to win the bench spoon award

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thank you tim mendham and richard

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saunders

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and that wraps it up for the australian

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[Music]

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hmm i sure do miss going to those

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skeptical meetings in pubs and cafes

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to hear talks and interact with my

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friends now well

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who the hell are you i'm your skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

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you're my

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skeptical what relax richard

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i can make your wish come true what

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you mean free beer

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no no no the other wish

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oh oh really yes

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i have news of skeptical meetings and

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talks online

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oh oh oh yes of course yes

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skeptics cafe online by the vic skeptics

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brings you live and interactive

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skeptical talks via zoom

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anyone anywhere in the world is welcome

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to join in

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on the third monday of the month just

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check out the skeptics cafe page on

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facebook to see when the next talk is

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and who will be presenting

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alternatively see the vic skeptics

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website at vicskeptics.wordpress.com

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for details that sounds great a

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skeptical

574
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um god fairy uh angel mother um

575
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person and there are similar skeptical

576
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online talks happening around the

577
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country and

578
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all over the world all you need to do is

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search for them

580
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:42,640
wow now just one more question

581
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,280
yes what about the beer

582
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,120
okay all right

583
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,400
well just for you

584
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,720
i'll make it so you can go to the

585
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supermarket

586
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,520
buy whatever beer you like and drink it

587
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:04,240
while watching the talk online at home

588
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,039
and they say

589
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,240
miracles never happen and to think i

590
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:10,640
gave up being the tooth fairy for

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goodbye

592
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,110
and now a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

594
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,559
hi my name's tim menden i'm executive

595
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,559
officer for australian skeptics inc

596
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and i'm the editor of our magazine the

597
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,679
skeptic

598
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and today in the book of tim i'll be

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reading from

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the skeptic magazine june 2019

601
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which is volume 39 number two

602
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i'm reading from a regular column in the

603
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,559
magazine called what goes around

604
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,320
which starts off with a particular fact

605
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,919
or set of facts and works that way

606
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,720
through

607
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640
related facts etc until we come back

608
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,400
where we started from

609
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,919
which shows that all knowledge is

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connected and connectable

611
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,679
and this time the column is subtitled

612
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,799
mind fuhrer

613
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,360
to mine host and first of all we'll be

614
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looking at the famous

615
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,080
godwin's law

616
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,320
goblin's law or godwin's rule of hitler

617
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,440
analogies

618
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
is an internet adage that asserts that

619
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,360
as an online discussion

620
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,600
grows longer the probability of a

621
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,279
comparison involving hitler

622
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,559
approaches one that is sooner or later

623
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,159
someone will compare someone or

624
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,120
something to adolf hitler or his deeds

625
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,799
there's a tradition in many news groups

626
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and other internet discussion forums

627
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:57,039
that when a hitler comparison is made

628
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the threat is finished

629
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,080
and whoever made the comparison loses

630
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,320
whatever debate is in progress

631
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,320
it is now applied to any threaded online

632
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,320
discussion such as internet forums chat

633
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,360
rooms

634
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,200
comment threads as well as to speeches

635
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,200
articles and other rhetoric

636
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,240
where reductio ad hitler occurs

637
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,159
michael wayne godwin who was born in

638
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,600
1956

639
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,480
is an american attorney and author he

640
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,000
was the first staff council of the

641
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electronic frontier foundation

642
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,240
from july 2007 to october 2010

643
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,240
he was general counsel for the wikimedia

644
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,480
foundation and was elected to the open

645
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,080
source initiative board

646
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,960
in march 2011. he has served as a

647
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contributing editor

648
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of reason magazine since 1994 and is

649
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,200
currently general counsel and director

650
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:44,799
of innovation policy

651
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,159
at the r street institute godwin has

652
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:50,400
stated that he introduced godwin's law

653
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,919
as an experiment in mimetics and quote

654
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,240
i seeded godwin's law in any news group

655
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:58,240
or topic where i saw a gratuitous

656
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,440
nazi reference soon to my surprise other

657
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,720
people were citing it

658
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,279
the counter meme was reproducing on its

659
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,559
own

660
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,640
godwin is an old english word meaning

661
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:09,760
good friend

662
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,880
godwin of wessex who died in 1053

663
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,720
was one of the most powerful earls in

664
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,880
england under the danish king knut the

665
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,640
great and his successes

666
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,279
canuter of course are called canute and

667
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,799
he was the one who supposedly

668
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,559
tried to stop the water from rolling in

669
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,799
or stop the tide from coming in

670
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
which he knew it wouldn't and he was

671
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,840
proving that kings weren't

672
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:32,240
all powerful but never mind back to

673
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,360
godman

674
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:35,200
in 1035 the throne of england was

675
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,480
claimed by alfred

676
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,120
etheling and godwin is reported to have

677
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,960
either captured alfred himself

678
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,279
or to have deceived him by pretending to

679
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,880
be his ally

680
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,760
alfred was blinded and soon died

681
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,400
according to the anglo-saxon chronicle

682
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,960
godwin had alfred's retainers executed

683
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:53,840
blinded

684
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,600
maimed and scalped no more horrible deed

685
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:59,760
was done in this country since the danes

686
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,559
came

687
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,679
and made peace here not a very nice

688
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,880
fellow

689
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,279
following various political maneuverings

690
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,039
godwin's son harold

691
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:11,279
became king of england but he was

692
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:12,159
overthrown

693
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,039
and killed in the battle of hastings in

694
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,640
1066.

695
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,840
some notable but possibly less exciting

696
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,159
godwins

697
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,159
not necessarily related to that include

698
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,760
mary wollstonecraft

699
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,520
author of the vindication of the rights

700
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:27,760
of woman who married into the goblin

701
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,320
family

702
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,120
her daughter mary wollstonecraft godwin

703
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:32,640
author of frankenstein

704
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,080
who married the poet percy bishelly

705
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,840
former rock musician and drug addict

706
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:40,240
jeff godwin who turned fundamentalist

707
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,799
christian

708
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,799
who now campaigns against rock music as

709
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,640
the work of the devil

710
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,480
two godwins have associations with

711
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,760
madagascar

712
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,919
jeff godwin presumably not related to

713
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,440
the fundamentalist godwin

714
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,600
is an expert on the software package

715
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,039
known as madagascar

716
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,159
used for multi-dimensional data analysis

717
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,360
and alan godwin is founder owner and ceo

718
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,039
of reef and rainforest which runs tours

719
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,760
of the island of madagascar and

720
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,520
madagascar previously known as the

721
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,200
malagasy republic

722
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,840
is an island country in the indian ocean

723
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,840
approximately 400 kilometers off the

724
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,919
coast of east africa

725
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,600
because the islands split from india

726
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,679
more than 80 million years ago

727
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,760
madagascar's native plants and animals

728
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,480
have evolved in relative isolation

729
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,559
with over 90 of its wildlife found

730
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,240
nowhere else on earth

731
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,200
particularly its lemurs and many species

732
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,520
of chameleons

733
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,760
in the 1930s the nazis developed the

734
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,200
madagascar plan

735
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,200
that identified the island as a

736
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,399
potential site

737
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,440
for the deportation of europe's jews

738
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,200
during the second world war the island

739
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,600
was the site of the battle of madagascar

740
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,320
1942 between the vichy government and

741
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,240
the british

742
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,840
one participant in the battle of

743
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,760
madagascar which was the first

744
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,679
large-scale operation by the allies of

745
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,799
world war ii

746
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,440
combining sea land and air forces was

747
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,039
donald sinclair

748
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,679
an officer in the royal navy reserve who

749
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,039
saw action of greenland

750
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:12,000
madagascar and north africa after the

751
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,640
war

752
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,720
he was co-proprietor of the glen eagles

753
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,559
hotel in torquay

754
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,840
england members of the cast of the tv

755
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,480
comedy monty pythons flying circus

756
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,480
stayed at the hotel while filming

757
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,760
locally

758
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:28,640
for some reason sinclair thought one of

759
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,600
the cast briefcases contained a bomb

760
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,480
and he hid it behind a garden wall he

761
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,559
was the inspiration for the character

762
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,600
basil faulty hotel owner in faulty

763
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,320
towers

764
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,159
written by john cleese member of the

765
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,440
pythons

766
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,080
faulty's most famous line in the show is

767
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:48,159
don't mention the war

768
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,070
and that was what goes around from the

769
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,880
skeptic june 2019

770
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:02,159
and you can look at our back copies of

771
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,240
the magazine on our website

772
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,960
skeptics.com and download virtually

773
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:11,600
39 years worth of the magazine and then

774
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,320
of course

775
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,760
once you've been impressed by those

776
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:16,240
you'll subscribe to the magazine

777
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,110
the earth is only 6 000 years old that's

778
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,559
what answers in genesis

779
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:33,039
and the creation museum say and how can

780
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:33,919
a museum

781
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,080
be wrong isn't dr oz just wonderful

782
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,799
i loved today's episode it didn't talk

783
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,120
down to his adoring audience of women

784
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,840
at all science has proved that the

785
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,399
subatomic quantum realm is as real as it

786
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,399
is counterintuitive and bizarre

787
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,320
therefore i can use it to support

788
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,679
quantum healing and quantum

789
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,720
consciousness

790
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,960
after all how can journals like aquarius

791
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,799
metaphysics be wrong

792
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,120
evolution is just a theory after all if

793
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,880
we came from monkeys then why are there

794
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,880
still monkeys

795
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,240
we all have friends and family who

796
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,320
believe these things and much more

797
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,480
well if you're a rational thinker who is

798
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:12,320
tired of arguing on social media and

799
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,519
never getting anywhere

800
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,840
we have a solution for you join the

801
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,399
guerrilla skepticism wikipedia team

802
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,080
and we will teach you how to add

803
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,919
reliable scientific and skeptical

804
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,720
information

805
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,559
to the world's number one source of

806
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,640
information wikipedia

807
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,399
we write new articles and improve

808
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,640
existing ones we remove pseudoscience

809
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,000
paranormal and ultimate

810
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,559
claims substituting the actual facts and

811
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,399
we operate in many languages

812
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,480
we've already reached tens of millions

813
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,640
of people searching for information

814
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,880
but as you can imagine we can never do

815
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,399
enough so please

816
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,880
join us all you need is a pc and a

817
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,200
desire to help educate the planet

818
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,039
in fact you'll be educating the world

819
00:32:02,610 --> 00:31:52,799
while you sleep contact

820
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,240
[Music]

821
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,669
now it's time once again to look through

822
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:16,799
the archive that is

823
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,960
trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

824
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:23,200
an archive of digitized newspapers

825
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,840
gazettes magazines periodicals journals

826
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,080
articles you name it going back

827
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,799
decades decades and decades a wonderful

828
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,360
resource

829
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,640
of scanned papers some of them

830
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,559
owing to their age however are a little

831
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,919
bit uh

832
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
fuzzy i suppose the ones going back into

833
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,080
the 1800s

834
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,519
but certainly most are very legible

835
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:50,399
and this week in keeping with our theme

836
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,880
of

837
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,679
classic skepticism i thought i would

838
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,360
look up references in australian

839
00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:57,360
newspapers to

840
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,789
[Music]

841
00:33:06,269 --> 00:33:04,320
and we find ourselves looking through

842
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,279
the pages of the pin jelly

843
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:10,159
brookton leader from western australia

844
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,320
now this was around from 1925 to 1954

845
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:18,000
on the 29th of july 1937

846
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,990
it is claimed on the unimpeachable

847
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,120
testimony

848
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,840
of numerous observers that a monster of

849
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,120
unknown size does

850
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:38,000
really exist in loch ness and is

851
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,039
supposedly

852
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,159
a reptile of prehistoric species

853
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,200
interest has been reawakened by the

854
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,519
statement of eyewitnesses that they have

855
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:49,919
recently seen a number of

856
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,120
smaller monsters leading to the belief

857
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,000
that the creature is breeding loch ness

858
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,000
is fully 900 feet deep and

859
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,840
said to extend in all directions under

860
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,760
the surrounding hills

861
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,559
as plenty of air holes run from these

862
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,200
hills to the caverns below

863
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:10,079
it is not unreasonable to suppose that

864
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,040
there are

865
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,079
chambers fed by warm springs

866
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,560
the last of prehistoric monsters still

867
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,000
contrives

868
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:21,679
to exist the next search result

869
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:24,800
is from the year 1950 on the 9th

870
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,639
of november and this is in the pages of

871
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,320
the daily telegraph

872
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:33,200
here in sydney oddly enough it says from

873
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,079
1931

874
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,119
to 1954 so it could have been a previous

875
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,879
incarnation of the daily telegraph or

876
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:40,000
something like that

877
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,599
nevertheless the article says loch ness

878
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:44,720
monster

879
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,560
found london wednesday australian

880
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,639
associated press

881
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,040
naval experts yesterday revealed the

882
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,000
truth about the loch ness monster

883
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,040
there never was one

884
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,160
well that's a bit disappointing

885
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,880
scores of people have seen the monster

886
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,480
and scientists traveled from all over

887
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,040
the world to investigate the mystery

888
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,680
the monster brought fame and prosperity

889
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,960
to the lock side

890
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:15,119
but according to the naval experts

891
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,000
yesterday

892
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,079
the various monsters seen through the

893
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,480
years were merely strings of

894
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,839
four horned mines surfacing at the end

895
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:26,560
of a secret experiment

896
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:29,359
the story began in 1918 when the mine

897
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:30,160
layer

898
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,079
welbeck laid 300 uncharged experimental

899
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:36,800
four-horned mines in a string of eight

900
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,640
in the loch i never knew that the object

901
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,960
was to test the depths at which mines

902
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,000
could be anchored

903
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:46,560
and how long they would stay under when

904
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,359
the mines

905
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:50,880
surfaced they rolled over once or twice

906
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:54,640
filled with water and sank naval experts

907
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,280
believe

908
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:58,000
that about 40 mines are still anchored

909
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,200
in the lock

910
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,240
but the moorings cannot last much longer

911
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:05,119
one naval expert said at a distance when

912
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,400
they bob up they make

913
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,280
a very fine monster it has all been a

914
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,880
big laugh for the few of us

915
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,079
in the know who are still alive well

916
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,000
there you go according to that report

917
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,920
the mystery was solved in 1950

918
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,440
now this would have come as a bit of a

919
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,280
disappointment to those people writing

920
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:25,520
in 1934

921
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,520
in the kyogle examiner and on the 2nd of

922
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,839
january of that year we read

923
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
loch ness monster interest in the loch

924
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,040
ness monster is spreading

925
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,200
scientific societies and newspapers are

926
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:41,920
making efforts to clear up the mystery

927
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:45,280
a mr m a weatherall a

928
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,400
central african big game hunter told the

929
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,359
daily mail

930
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,680
that he believed he had four traces

931
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:52,880
including the marks of

932
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,320
nails or flipper tips of a mammoth

933
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,440
amphibian he is beginning

934
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,680
a systematic search of the shore of the

935
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:04,480
lake in hopes of finding the beast's

936
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,800
lair in the vicinity of the spot where a

937
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,200
man stated last summer that he had seen

938
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,400
a monster carrying a sheep in its mouth

939
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,640
that must have been quite a sight a

940
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,560
monster of unknown species

941
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,640
is reported to have been seen by many

942
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:22,000
persons in loch ness

943
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,000
in scotland and blurred photographs

944
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,040
have been secured of it

945
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,760
and blurred photographs it is described

946
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,320
as having

947
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,119
a body or neck like the fabled sea

948
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,520
serpent and the head like a horse

949
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,720
blurred photographs i love that line it

950
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,880
reminds me of an episode of the

951
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,000
the bbc show the goodies from the 1970s

952
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
where the three goodies go to find the

953
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,400
loch ness monster

954
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,320
and i sold all sorts of things by the

955
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,640
loch ness tourist board

956
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,960
including a special camera for taking

957
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,240
fuzzy out of focus

958
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,440
pictures so let's now zip forward to the

959
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,560
1952 in the warwick daily news from

960
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,280
queensland 29th of august

961
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,400
loch ness monster gone

962
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,680
by kendrick howard this

963
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:16,000
is an age given to the hoaxes and tall

964
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,800
stories

965
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,079
but myths legends and strange monsters

966
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,960
still survive all countries have their

967
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,200
stock characters

968
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:28,079
england her ghosts that still walk on

969
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,200
stormy nights

970
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,079
holland the flying dutchman perhaps the

971
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:34,320
creature that gained most publicity was

972
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,119
scotland's

973
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,320
loch ness monster that sea serpent come

974
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,520
dragon which

975
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:42,240
for all its fearsomeness was impeccably

976
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:42,960
mannered

977
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,880
and strangely shy known to millions by

978
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,839
hearsay

979
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:50,640
and a few by sight it has been written

980
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,359
about

981
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,400
photographed shouted at called to

982
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,280
and made the subject of two very lengthy

983
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,720
treatises

984
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,560
the story of the loch ness monster

985
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,240
reached its peak

986
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,359
in 1930. firstly

987
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,839
a young veterinary student cycling along

988
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,839
the lakeside in the early morning

989
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,200
saw the monster on the shore it was he

990
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:15,839
firmly declared about 20 feet long and

991
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,400
looked

992
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,720
like something between a seal and a

993
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,160
plesiosaur

994
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,960
two years later a melbourne clergyman

995
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,480
the reverend gordon powell

996
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,520
of the collins street independent church

997
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,599
then a student doing a postgraduate

998
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,160
course in theology at glasgow university

999
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:34,400
saw its surface in the placid lake

1000
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,200
waters

1001
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,400
late one afternoon the same year a film

1002
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,160
was taken of the monster

1003
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,359
on one of its rare appearances

1004
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,680
the stills pre-produced in scottish

1005
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,560
papers

1006
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:48,960
show what pal saw a creature of

1007
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,000
tremendous size with the serpentine neck

1008
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,480
and head like a seal at the height of

1009
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,440
the furore

1010
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,599
the scottish hills resounded to the

1011
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,040
clamour of incoming special

1012
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,960
correspondents who took up positions

1013
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,240
along the shore

1014
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,440
and waited for the story to literally

1015
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,400
break wide open but the monster was

1016
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,079
reluctant to appear

1017
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,560
despite offers of up to twenty thousand

1018
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,640
pounds from enterprising promoters

1019
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,640
nobody ever came near to bringing it

1020
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:18,000
back alive

1021
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:22,079
or dead perhaps like disney's dragon

1022
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,760
it dislikes publicity zoologists think

1023
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,839
it's unlikely that a modern sea serpent

1024
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,560
will ever be produced for examination

1025
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:33,280
but they warn scientists dare not deny

1026
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,599
that

1027
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:36,400
large marine snakes may still exist in

1028
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,520
the oceans

1029
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,640
so someone may yet catch a sea serpent

1030
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:42,880
or even a bunyip

1031
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,480
and just as an aside a bunyip is a

1032
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,200
mythical australian creature sea

1033
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,040
serpents of the loch ness type thrived

1034
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
in the seas millions of years ago

1035
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,839
did one by some strange oversight of

1036
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,640
nature

1037
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,480
escape the march of evolution and

1038
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,280
survive in the uninhabited waters of

1039
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,560
loch ness

1040
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,560
the monster is often mentioned when

1041
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:06,400
discussion arises as to whether

1042
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,960
sea serpents exist the 30-foot mosasaur

1043
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,119
is a sea monster that would satisfy the

1044
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:14,720
most ardent explorer

1045
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,240
of marine life unfortunately it died out

1046
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,480
about 80 million years ago

1047
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,800
the reverend roy chapman andrews

1048
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,640
director of the american museum of

1049
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,000
natural history

1050
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,680
has this to say on sea serpents

1051
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,680
there is no scientific evidence to show

1052
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,520
that any of the monsters

1053
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:36,640
of the age of reptiles still exist all

1054
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,040
the

1055
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,079
sea serpents that have come ashore

1056
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,400
have been examined and proved to be some

1057
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,599
already known fish

1058
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,640
or animal what would dr andrews say to

1059
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,040
those who maintain that the loch ness

1060
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,839
creature does exist perhaps he would

1061
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:53,920
attribute the whole affair to

1062
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,960
a delusion but those who have seen the

1063
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:58,560
monster of loch ness will have none of

1064
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,440
this

1065
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:02,800
it's real enough they say

1066
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,160
and larger than life now let's slip back

1067
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:08,640
a few years to the year 1947

1068
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,520
the 10th of april in chronicle

1069
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,280
that's what it says chronicle from

1070
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:17,920
adelaide south australia

1071
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:21,119
and i guess this was something that was

1072
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,200
around from

1073
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,760
1895 to 1954.

1074
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,359
loch ness monster again

1075
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,680
london the loch ness monster has made a

1076
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,560
reappearance

1077
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,560
for motorists on monday night reported

1078
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,599
having seen it

1079
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,720
near dramadrocket one described it as

1080
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,599
having a

1081
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,319
gleaming body and one hump the other

1082
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,480
said the monster had two humps

1083
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,680
the first motorist agreed that that

1084
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,640
might be true

1085
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,200
because his eyes are not what they used

1086
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,480
to be

1087
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:55,040
and finally let's flip through the pages

1088
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,599
of

1089
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,040
weekly times from melbourne and this was

1090
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:00,480
reported on the 13th

1091
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,119
of january 1934 loch ness monster

1092
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,920
although some london newspapers scoff at

1093
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,240
the loch ness monster as a myth

1094
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,280
all published a graphic narrative told

1095
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,560
by arthur grant

1096
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,800
a veterinary student who says that he

1097
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,720
nearly ran over the monster when he was

1098
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,359
motorcycling by the lake at midnight

1099
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,839
in the moonlight he says it was lying on

1100
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,800
the roadway

1101
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,280
30 yards ahead of him when he first saw

1102
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,000
it

1103
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,920
the lake

1104
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,520
and entered the waters with a great

1105
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,240
splash it had a long neck

1106
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,599
and eel like head and big eyes

1107
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:42,720
its flippers were apparently webbed its

1108
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,520
total length

1109
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,800
was from 15 to 20 feet

1110
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,520
grant suggested that it was a hybrid

1111
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:51,760
something between a plesiosaur

1112
00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:01,190
[Music]

1113
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,829
well there we go now they were but five

1114
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,400
of the dozens and dozens of returns

1115
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,640
when we entered the search for the loch

1116
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,400
ness monster

1117
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,000
and here's me thinking that it was

1118
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,119
really huge in the 1970s along with

1119
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,200
bigfoot and ufos and spoon bending and

1120
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,240
all that

1121
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,839
but as far as nessie goes it seems that

1122
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:24,240
there's been lots of coverage in the

1123
00:44:26,290 --> 00:44:25,280
decades

1124
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:26,300
before that

1125
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,750
once again you can spend the leisurely

1126
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,440
couple of hours looking up all sorts of

1127
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:37,280
things at trove

1128
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:41,680
by visiting trove.nla.gov

1129
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,910
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1130
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:58,710
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1131
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1132
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episodes and

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lots more on www.berationable.com

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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awards

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and i'm not sure you say congratulations

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to somebody who wins the bent spoon

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award but who knows

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which reminds me those people listening

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in australia if you have somebody you'd

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like to nominate

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for the bent spoon award or maybe an

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institution

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a government agency a company something

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like that

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you can do that probably in the next

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couple of months for 2021 but keep those

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people in mind

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the past week have made a couple of very

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generous donations and

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not to mention anyone uh particular

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but somebody contributed some uh

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little thank you to them

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i sent them off a little parcel

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randy

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um and i sent that out one day before

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james randy died so

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uh you know who you are and look out in

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the post

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but for this week this is richard

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saunders signing off

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